I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Searching. Hajun via feats and implied power. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. Yeah All Mighty Wins. While Beyonder has the power of Marvel writers. Wiki Points. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. This could also be used as. Wiki Points. Almighty and TOAA are essentially the same thing so there's really no debate. To them human concepts of time, probabilities, dimensions, cause-and-effect, life, death,. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. You need to be logged in to post comments. 3080. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, along with all other supreme deities in comics (Presence, TOAA, MoM, Thanos with HOTU, etc. The Presence decided to wage war with TOAA and gathered an army to fight TOAA TOAA the Marvel god! not the celestial These are the members of the army: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Saints of Killers with. Because I always thought we put the Presence on the level of TOAA, the supreme being from the Marvel Multiverse, but that Soul-Glo Jumpsuit Donny Osmond was above. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. and MoM = ToAA both are supreme gods of respective omniverses. 56 results. Beyonder > Odin> Galactus>Thanos> Onslaught. Lucifer and Michael are second to God, period. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. -This version is considered to be Omnipotent. Yes. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. same gods in the marvel verse would effortlessly stomp kaguya. s. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. Today's TOAA was taken from the Beyonder blueprint, since TOAA is arguably and "supposedly" more powerful than the Presence before he replaced himself with Elaine Belloc, who was not. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. zold5 • 1 yr. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Reviews: 0. If beyonder has knowledge beforehand then it becomes a more pitched battle with the scarlet king holding the slight power advantage (High 1A - Low 1A) and is now on a time limit to kill beyonder before his seals are removed and killed himself. Wiki Points. I'm thinking Thanos. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. Team Beyoder: Living Tribunal. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER | Special Attacks and Moves | Keanu Reeves in MARVEL Nick Coss 24. 6. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. 3. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. Who wins this fight • 10 months. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. Basically this plays out the same way when he became God Emperor Doom but now all the beyonders he takes power from are pre-retcon beyonders. 9 years ago. Far from Beyonder levels. Claymore1998. Absolutely not Definitely yes Ellis Foster Been reading comics since before I could read. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. Aug 9, 2016 #10 Overseer due to wiki rules you must request a content revision and debate for this changes. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. #. The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. Cactus. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. " Like it could be as simple as that if the writer really wanted to. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. Current TOAA's Omnipotence is local, virtually isolated and heavily dependent on functional integrity of the Marvel Multiverse Framework or System while Beyonder is beyond any of that. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. 56 results. Forum Posts. Prepare for. 300 Xenomorph Warriors (Alien) r/LegionofSuperheroes • Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 8) Interlac Translations Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". Beyonder is marvel. vs. Round 1: Post-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. the spectre with the presence backing. • 7 mo. The Glory: description and feats. s. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was. That said, TOAA and The Presence are both omnipotent, so neither one of them can actually defeat the other, but at the same time they can both defeat the other, but the other can undo the other, while the other undoes the other's undoing just before the other defeats the other by removing the other except the other removes the other while. Comics . Hands down. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). If by classic beyonder you mean the most powerful version, then its a stalemate. Even if it logically and rationally. Follow 1. Stan Lee vs Jim Shooter Saying Beyonder > TOAA is ridiculous, that's like saying Dr Doom is smarter than Beyonder, because he stole Beyonder's powers even though Beyonder was supposed to be God. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. . He is True Omnipotent, he was TOAA before TOAA was introduuced. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. matchups like these are. Yes, TOAA is the only true omnipotent being in Marvel - however the WPotC is now the creator, judge, jury, executioner and destroyer of the multiverse. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. The One Above All has no equal. ( Im the TS) The beyonder will fight every comic character other than TOAA and the Presence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. so he is far from being the strongest in fiction not even top 20 strongest in fiction. vs. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. So I might be missing something. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre # 493 Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. 0. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Jan 29, 2017. • 1 year ago. 1. That being said, I'm fairly certain that Thanos and the Beyonder take this. Juntai. So I might be missing something. 1 Answer. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. I. Beyonder is literally the strongest being in marvel only second to toaa period. 3 The Beyonder. ". This is a really difficult fight to answer, because neither have shown any feats that the other wouldn’t theoretically be capable of. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. Beyonder would be stomped. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. No one is that powerful. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. They are not beyonders and are instead a subservient race for them, ala the Mapmakers or the Sidera Maris and so on. You. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Since 2013, Stan Lee has said that it is the writer who writes the scripts and will decide which character to win. Beyonder would be stomped. ago. If this. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. The True Beyonder vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Thespacelord;. Zeus (mythoology) vs The One Above All. Cosmic Ghost Rider vs The-One-Above-All vs The Living Tribunal vs The Beyonder💯/Let's End This DebateULTRA SASUKE ANIME FACT OR CAP SHORTSRound 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them. Situation 2:DC easily takes this, just because of the existence of characters like Lucifer, Superman Prime, Darkseid, Anti-Monitor and Manhattan. Round 3: TOAA vs pre retcon beyonder (not sure if he’s actually omnipotent) Bonus: if all three lose, than TOAA vs all three together This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Coldsocial • Additional comment actions. The only way Protege would copy Beyonder's powers is if Beyonder allowed it. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true. #1 KingOfAsh. PR Beyonder > TOAA and all His/Its Omniverse Beyonder may have been from outside the Marvel multiverse, however he is still a Marvel property and would come under the jurisdiction of Marvels supreme being. So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. He is the most powerful creation in all of Marvel, if not fiction. Odin's best gimmick is the ability to manipulate a magical field known as the Odin Force. . itsirk. What they say. ago. 3. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. #3 CF12793. and so Jim Starlin wrote Comics scenario, to his liking, how Thanos managed to take the astral regulator created by the TOAA and absorb it. Neutral Close. So if you have proof of this go to the content revision section. This would be a contradiction, as the only infinity existing in marvelverse with no equal is TOAA. Melkor is the second strongest character in Arda (Middle-Earth planet), though he may be third after Ungolliant. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, and Scan 4. Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. . But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. Omnipotence is a fancy title at best. If we however assume that Johnny isn't just above Deku and Bakugo where Deku and Bakugo. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Juggernaut ToAA and Phoenix they are played out and over-hyped. the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. 4. ago. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. Not even beyonder is that powerful. The Beyonder here, is referring to his pre-nerf version from Secret Wars II, since he got nerfed by Marvel writers and artists afterwards. "Beyonder stomp "I don't think so! First of most people consider TOAA(fulcrum) to be slightly above Beyonder in the end. 3. Situation 1: Stalemate, because of the bizarre power levels. @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said:Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Beyonder would just toy with the Spectre. 1. Mysterio Cosmic Comic 9. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. Manhattan's league. Minor nitpick. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. 3812 transcends them TOAA and The Presence unless you go by ThEy aRe OmNiPoTeNt, Omnipotence and. Manhattan's league. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. So in short pre retcon beyonder decides whether or not he gets damaged or killed. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing! I am SUPREME!! In my native realm I WAS the universe! -- Beyonder -Beyonder is supposed to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. OP doesn't specify where the vs is taking place. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. s. He's nowhere near Beyonder levels. In Marvel he is just that, Above All. It is as Cosmic Reign says. The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. #14. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. The Beyonder was basically another Omniverse's TOAA. As Beyonder is meant to be from Beyond the Marvel verse. This topic is locked from further discussion. . Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. As in rough equals with the presence, who is easily Mikey boy. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . Neutral TOAA, is a dubious omnipotent being, it just depends on the will of the writers. On the other hand, there are entities – or an entity – that are equal to The. #28 ovy7. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Manhattan. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Thanos mastering the Heart of the Universe does not equal him to infinity, or the one above all. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. HOTU is directly powered by TOAA (starlin/writer). We can't scale TOAA to Beyonder because TOAA didn't exist. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. 1. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. 10 years ago. Agreed. Forum Posts. #4. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. You can't be above him. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. both teams have omnipotent. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. Well unless we scale all Buddha “feats” from real mythology. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. Scenario: Through the miracle of TOAA, Living Tribunal summoned the most powerful army in the existence of Marvel to fight the entire race of Beyonders outside Marvel-verse. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Not sure why this thread was even made Are you talking multiple pre retcon beyonders Or multiple current beyonders ( meaning the ones who killed TLT) Because this has already played out before Dr room stole their power but only with the help of molecule man and he's the one who held on to most ofbthe powerJul 2, 2016. Otherwise he gets stopped by the big guns of Marvel who are multiversal++ like TOAA, The Beyonders (the race), The Fulcrum, Tiamut, Protege, PR Beyonder, PR Molecule Man, Scathan, The Living Tribunal, Heart of the Universe Thanos, etc. omnipotent means infinite power. Nix Uotan "The judge of all evil". Job Burke 4. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. s. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Neutral these battles dont make sense. . Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). -5. 9 years ago. to win. Beyonder h├¿ was the TOAA at that time if not stronger. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. Wiki Points. Then House Of Ideas 12. #1 Nicholas_Jones. Beyonder but nemesis is one of the few who can actually compete. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. Bob, Agent of Hydra vs TOAA. @DJSNuva1 said: " Bruce=God Beyonder<God "Not true. Minstry_of_pain. and to become. beyonder vs toaa. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. ago Almighty wins against Beyonder and Oblivion. 4 years ago. s. As. He stomps all round. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents. Jan 1, 2019. 1 year ago. The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr. Followers. infinity - infinity is still fucking infinity. Didnt the latest showing of TOAA makes it clear that HOTU was a small portion of TOAA's power? I say the Beyonder still wins, only TOAA can defeat him. #9 Edited By AtPhantom. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. This. And such a thing as "above omnipotence" doesn't exist. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. He's a monster that made Multiversal galactus that stomped master order and lord chaos look like little brats. Meaning he became everything and everyone. Phoenixblue. But it turns out the current Beyonder is the source of the power for God Emperor Doom and technical Molecule Man. Beyonder 16. the Living Tribunal on the other hand is (depends on the current storyline) only defeated by Thanos with Hotu (which is basically TOAA) for a short time and by the pre-retcon Beyonder, who is a different chapter. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. ago. TOAA have failed. #2 Edited By Kataklysmo. 11 years ago. The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. There would be no fight. 9 years ago mysticmedivh'The Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to me. Marvel is a pretty strong verse, but is there anyone who can beat it? Even with a VS as wide ranging as battling the whole Marvel-verse, it still helps to get some specifics nailed down in the OP. " I am the One Above All. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Neither of. #4 ironthor1. The Phoenix Force can do its best, but The Beyonder might capture it in a glass bottle and take it home like some odd curiosity one finds at a flea market. The One Above All is literally God. That authority to lt was given by toaa while beyonder didn't get that authority from toaa. So this battle is TOAA vs. The power of the Life Force is a direct powerup from TOAA. The Beyonder even confirmed that he was fully Omnipotent, being on-par with TOAA since he was able to defeat Molecule Man, who Eternity, Infinity and other Cosmic Abstract entities, including The Living Tribunal were frightened of and Molecule Man was specified to be the most powerful being in Marvel, but Molecule Man was absolutely terrified. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. 93. s. Toba Hulk 7. Rorschach vs Dr. . Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. 0. Beyonder 16. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. @pisswaterball The Beyond Realm is completely separate from Marvel so TOAA has no control. Created by Loony_Toony. They are so many tiers apart that it's not even worth trying to count. 4 years ago. (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. TOAA would be above Spawn, according to Marvel's hierarchy. PR Beyonder was TOAA for marvels universe before. BTW, even when Beyonder killed Death. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. ReplyThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. Juntai. TOAA is the creator of the multiverse and everyone and everything in it, including the Beyonders. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true beyonders come from outside of our multiverse as well when instead they merely come form another dimension to our universe. Living Tribunal cannot and has never once, not ever, enacted beyond universal destructive capabilities without the concent of TOAA. Loki God Of Stories 17. TOAA mops the floor with these two. Marvel Cinematic Universe is going crazy day by day. I nominate the presence and toaa for this.